Jeffrey Dahmer: “If it all happens naturalistically, what’s the need for a God? Can’t I set my own rules? Who owns me? I own myself.” [Biography, “Jeffrey Dahmer: The Monster Within,” A&E, 1996.]
Naturalists like to stress that you don’t need God or religion to be good. Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins even suggest that leaving God out of the equation actually allows one to be more moral because then our moral acts are authentic, motivated by deep conviction rather than by having a divine gun to our heads.
Even so, Dahmer’s logic is compelling. We need some external reference point — God — to justify being good. And that justification is significant in its own right. Without it, we can still rationalize particular evils, but we cannot dispense with the category of evil entirely.
Quotes by people who understood the logic of naturalism and the destruction of moral foundations that it entails. Isn’t The Face Of Atheism COOOOL!!!
That’s utterly retarded.
It must really suck to be you.
I don’t need any god to justify being good. I don’t even need to justify it.
Anonymous: While it's clear that you don't believe in some Gods, do you as well acknowledge that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify that deities do NOT exist? In other words, do you accept that the current stage of human knowledge is incapable reaching such conclusions and therefore there is a possibility that God exists?
Just to make myself clear, is not just that I “don’t believe in some Gods”, I don’t believe in any god.
do you as well acknowledge that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify that deities do NOT exist?
I’m no expert but that’s not how it works, I don’t have to provide rational grounds to justify the non existence of deities. The ones claiming these entities exist have provide some kind of evidence good enough for these to be considered valid claims.
In other words, do you accept that the current stage of human knowledge is incapable reaching such conclusions and therefore there is a possibility that God exists?
My comment on this is that I admit that personally I can’t claim that there’s no possibility beyond any doubt that God/Gods exist. But I can also say this of Superman or Dragons.
An infinite universe is something really really really big. But, and this is important: I have no rational grounds to hold these beliefs in the existence of Superman, Dragons or Gods. I will consider this to be true or not (just like anything else in my life) based on the evidence presented/available.
Pardon my rudimentary English, hope this explain my position.
Anonymous: What exactly is your belief system? Plain Atheist? Agnostic Atheist? Or...?
Well, I have many philosophical and ideological beliefs.
I just don’t believe in any sort of god; that being Yahweh, Zeus, Odin or anything of the kind.
What kind of atheist am I? well, I don’t really give that much tough to it.
Personally I don’t see any evidence that sugest the existence of deities or higher beings so I don’t have any reason to believe in them.
That’s about it.